The Case For Public Shaming of Vancouver Rioters

I am Captain Vancouver and this is my case for the public shaming of those involved in the Vancouver riots of June 15th, 2011.  Traditionally, before the advent of modern-day prison systems, public shaming was the norm in society.  There are failures in our court system especially when dealing with hard to win trials.  This shall occur when these rioter’s themselves go on trial and it is why I am moving to publically shame those involved.

These young men and women IF they get prosecuted will most likely be given probation, perhaps fines, community service etc. If they do end up with a criminal record, they will also (if given a savvy enough lawyer) be able to have that black mark removed.  At the end of it all, the consequences are minor.

Public shaming however reveals their faces, their names and ultimately has longer lasting effect.  There are those who would say that our court system is for the public record to view.  When was the last time the average person sat in on a trial and read court transcripts?  They are all there for the viewing to see.  Public shaming thru the use of social media and blogging shall place them into a world that is engraved into history.  It shall be chiseled into the hard stone of the internet and last eternally.

When a person’s name is typed into google or any search engine, especially if they are relative nobody’s, they do pop up on the first page during the search.  More and more of today’s employers are googling the names of the people who apply for jobs. I know when I run my company, I wouldn’t hire the people I saw rioting in the streets of my city.  So if they show up in a search 5 years from now, let them explain in their job interview’s how they’ve “all grown up now”. Roll the dice and see if they still get the job.

If anyone thinks I’m being too hard, then consider this.  We are witnessing the generation born in the world of social-media.  We witnessed the glee as they snapped photos, tweeted, all excited to pose on shots so that they could then post them up on their Facebook walls.  Let them suffer the consequences thru the same media that they believed would bring them fame.  Let them suffer in the same way they had brought shame to our city.  Captain Vancouver will now be your judge.

Please send in your photos with confirmed names and any other details.  CaptainVancouver@ymail.com

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~ by captainvancouver on June 16, 2011.

91 Responses to “The Case For Public Shaming of Vancouver Rioters”

  1. Right on, Cap’n! I’ll go one further. If you wish to be antisocial (or an anarchist) and don’t like civilized society then hand over your driver’ s license, credit/debit cards, passports and off you go. You don’t get these other benefits of our city, province or nation let alone our community.

    P.S. I live in the West End and just finished some cleanup with other true Vancouverites with tears in their eyes.

    • Thanks for the comments DaveA and Brian. I’m trying to sift thru the mountains of photos and find one’s with names attached, and information.

    • Brian: No. Anarchism is not concerned with dumbshit flipping of cars because of a hockey game.

      Some anarchists I know, myself included, organized a HUGE neighborhood clean-up in Albany after the “Kegs & Eggs” riots of March 11th of this year (and also reached front-page status on aggregators).

      Anarchism is devoted to re-energizing communities and empowering yourself through learning about things that “civilized society” has crammed down our throats since we were born into this world. Learning the truth about our environment, corporations with sociopathic personalities, and continued violence, both overt and internalized, that shape our worldview and engineer a profit system that creates a dichotomy of suffering and comfort. It doesn’t have to be that way. Your statement essentially means that people that don’t agree with you and your inherited narrative of societal ‘truths’ deserves the path of exile.

      The riot doesn’t have anything to do with Anarchism. It’s drunk, overpriviliged idiots with smartphones, and love “modern society” more than ANYTHING. They wouldn’t be able to live without it! By the way, “True Vancouverites” can be anarchists, too (True Albanians are, at least I’d say).

      The people who riot like this because of a goddamn hockey game are totally fucked and deserve to be shamed. I agree with you on that. But you should try some _mudita_ sometime. Look it up.

  2. Shame on. Time the delinquents had their names, faces and addresses posted.

  3. Let the shaming begin!

  4. go get ’em, Cap’n. put mob rule to good use for a change.

  5. Longin’ for some frontier justice!

  6. Shame them all! There’s more criminals named at the facebook page someone setup called “Vancouver Riot Pics: Post Your Photos”

  7. I’m all for ensuring that these idiots suffer the legal consequences for their actions. I am concerned though at the thought that even 10 or 20 years from now they might not be able to find a job because of what they did in their youth, and because announcements of such actions are still on the web. I believe in second chances, and I believe that people can redeem themselves over time. So while I support the use of social media to apprehend these goofs, maybe over time, say years and decades, these pages will be deleted?

    • These people are old enough to know what right and wrong is. You give people second chances for petty crimes, not for rioting and beating the shit out of innocent people for no reason other than thinking it was a good idea at the time. Let these assholes pay for it the rest of their lives, hopefully they will remain in debt long enough they wont have money to procreate, we need less of these people on this planet.

    • A properly brought up 5 year old knows what right and wrong is. The problem is that nobody teaches this anymore, so everybody falls back to, “if I don’t get caught, it’s ok”. We need to teach people what public responsibility means. It used to mean, “you see your neighbours every day at the market in this town of 100 people, so be nice to them”. In other words, shame/guilt has always been what has kept society civil. In this modern society where everything goes, shame and guilt has seemingly vanished. Consequences for actions are nonexistent where people are seemingly anonymous. This is not what civil liberties is meant to protect.
      While they are legally a minor, I would think that by this time, the “kids” in these shots should know what’s right and wrong by now. I truly doubt that a kid who doesn’t know right from wrong at age 16 will magically learn it once they become “of age”.

    • You’re concerned that in ten or twenty years time this will still affect them? What about the guy they almost beat to death for trying to stop them from burning a car, whose lung collapsed, and who would have died if he hadn’t been dragged to the hospital? What about the years we will all pay extra in raised costs to pay for the damage they inflicted?

      I get that teens with undeveloped brains do not fully grasp the consequences of their actions. And yet, they had a simple choice: inflict damage, or keep walking. It’s difficult to feel sorry for the ones who chose the former. Maybe if they turn themselves in and PAY FOR THE DAMAGE THEY CAUSED, then they can explain that to future employers.

  8. call me old fashioned, but I’m still into the whole ‘innocent until proven guilty’ thing. I know you think that these people won’t get prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but they probably will be. the public wants it; people are going to get angry if these people aren’t caught and dealt with accordingly. I have no doubts that many of these guys are going to be doing hard time. you don’t have the right to cast people’s names about and attach them to crimes they have not been proven of, from anonymous tips and/or people who claim to know who it is. there’s too much room for error.

    • hmmm, a person photographed taking lighter to a shirt stuffed into a gastank is ‘innocent until proven guilty!?’

      • What if some of the names associated with those pics are wrong? Would it be ok to have your name on a website next to the pic of a rioter because some guy wanted to shame the rioter and some other guy found your facebook profile and thought you looked like the rioter?

        This whole ‘let’s shame them publicly, and make sure they never find a job again because we found a pic of them breaking a window” idea is nuts. They deserve to face the consequences of their actions, yes, but there’s a judicial system for this.

      • Yes that person is still innocent until proven guilty. Give your head a shake. You don’t want to lose the right to a fair trial. Then we’ll end up with death squads and people disappearing in the middle of the night. It a modern day fact that you’re going to end up on the internet if you do stupid shit in public. Young adults get sucked into the mob mentality very easily when they haven’t been drunk and partying for hours. I know everyone is pissed right now but a mob on the internet looking for gangland justice without a fair trial is just as bad as a riot of youths. I’m sure the pics and vids will go a long way to securing justice for some. But a picture can’t always tell if a person is helping or hurting. You take a snapshot of the guy that was protecting The Bay when he’s swinging the staff at the kids that beat him and he looks like the assailant. When the full video shows he was trying to help.
        It disgusts me what happened but lets not make it worse now.

  9. keep it up Captain Vancouver!
    Lets use social media to find them all!

  10. Brilliant plan! I wholeheartedly back you, as many others do!

    Public shaming, as you say, is what they did then…here’s a link to a post I made on my blog at the end of May. 2nd to last photo is regarding what they did in 1839. Bring that kind of shame back!

    http://trescanis.blogspot.com/2011/05/things-ive-learned.html

  11. Like Arooga, I, too, believe in the principle of presumption of innocence and in the legal standard of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Public shaming is no longer the norm in our society because there is too much potential for error and abuse.

    The fact that you do not give your own full name on this website makes me question your sincerity. The point of this blog seems to be that people should take responsibility for their own actions. If that is a principle you truly believe in, you should be willing to post your name here along with the others and accept public judgement for your own actions, for good or ill.

    • I think Anna’s second paragraph makes a good point of argument. Bloggers in Albany during the recent “kegs & eggs” riots which made US-wide news did not really stay anon. However, the individual that made this blog is entitled to his/her privacy and the use thereof. Also, in the period immediately following this, maybe for a few weeks or so while tensions are high, it is probably not in this person’s best interests to reveal his/her identity. The police have an infinitude of options because of the social media aspect, too. Every youtube video that was posted will be archived by the PD, every public picture will be scrutinized. This shit makes a lot of people upset. Discuss?😀

    • Great post.

  12. They may deserve this, but their families don’t.
    Please, take this off and stop urging people to take justice into their own hands.

    • Well said Michael….the families certainly don’t deserve it at all and just watch out for the repercussions in this type of ‘shaming’. Captain Vancouver….in a way you are no better than the rioters. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right. We are all upset about what has happened, but we are not the law. You are no lawman and definitely no superhero and you could cause A LOT more damage to people that have not had nothing to do with the riot, other than being at the wrong place at the wrong time. You are trying to play god. That is sick.

      • @Jen:

        Your “bleeding heart” sickens me Jen….you are exactly why riots happen…slaps on the wrist will not deter anyone..EVER…
        Captain Vancouver keep doing what you are doing, and don’t stop until all of these bottom feeding scum buckets are nailed to the wall!

    • I’m sorry, but that was a choice they made when they decided to get involved that night. They certainly were’t considering their families that night and the simple fact is that they weren’t concerned about anyone…

    • just who do you think raised these lowlifes?? THEIR families…on what planet do you think their families should not also be held culpable? When you are brought up like my three children were with the belief that “if it’s not yours, don’t touch it!” you have a pretty good rule of thumb for making important decisions..like…should I take this merchandise from this store without paying for it? uhhh NO! ….should I set fire to someone’s hard earned vehical that isn’t mine to set fire to? uhhh NO! There has been a disconnect for far too long, and someone needs to be held accountable, let’s start with the perps and their families.

      • Colleen, you aren’t sorry!! LOL You are enjoying this! And you are right they weren’t concerned about anyone.

        Alison, please tell me that you really are not this close minded, you do, kind of, sound like a smart woman. Are all three of your kids seriously perfect and not make wrong choices? Do you know everything that they do and when they do it? Open your eyes sweetheart, because there just may come a day when you get a call or a knock on your door because one of them did something BAD! And you know……. all of it is your fault because you did not have full control of your kid, regardless if a teen or grownup. REALLY?! I understand that parents are legally responsible for the underage and those parents will probably get reprimanded too…..not for their lack of trying to be good parents though.
        People do what they want and when they want…..regardless of their families and up bringing. Maybe not every family is a perfect as yours.
        I know of many law abiding families (that are ‘good’ people) that have brought their children up with great values and morals and taught them all the rights and wrongs. And one of the kids turn out to be a shit disturber….they make their own choices with what they are given. Its that simple.

        I am by no means defending the people that were apart of the riot. I hope they get what is coming to them, bunch of dumb-asses!!!

        But I think that you are going to far in agreeing that it is a good idea to shame the families. On what planet do you think you are the one to hand out that judgment?

      • @jen, If a 10 year old of a friend of yours sits in your car while you drive him home, has a key in his hand and etches his initials in the upholstry, would you accept it if your friend just shrugs her shoulders and says, “yeah, he has a problem with that still…but what can you expect, she’s only ten”. Or, would you have some expectation that the parent will take responsibility, at least trying to repair the damage herself, if not paying to have it fixed? The whole idea of giving a designation of “minors” is because there is some unfairness about punishing someone who is still learning about moral character. The expectation is that they are learning to be adults from their parents. The failure of the child to make a mistake is not the child’s fault–it is the parent’s.

      • ok Tim…..i see where you are coming from but we aren’t talking about 10 year olds!!!!….of course the ten year old is still learning! What I am talking about is the rioters….how many 10 year old rioters were there? If there were any then, yes, go ahead and shame the parents to your hearts content.

        There is a difference between 16 and 10….for the most part. I just don’t agree that families of the older teen and adult rioters should be shamed.

        Have you not heard of the saying….It Takes A Village to Raise A Child? Why don’t we shame the schools and teachers that had a hand in teaching these people as well? I see that some of the peeps attended UBC and some colleges….lets send them hate mail and letters and emails telling them how ashamed we are of them and their teaching techniques? And how about the people that they work with? Or how about their mentors?

        Really, when did people stop being held accountable for their own actions?

      • Hi Jen, I only chose 10 to make a point, but you can choose any minor age. In fact, I’d say that a 16 year old should have even more restraint than a 10 year old, and hence be more accountable. The fact is, responsibility has to come from somewhere. Our legal system takes the view that minors don’t have the mental capacity to be held 100% accountable (otherwise their punishment would be at 100% of an adult’s).
        I’m all for the “village raising a child” part. However, the population here comes from all different villages, with different ideas of what is moral. The lowest common denominator of our different values is unfortunately the very low bar of the legal system. To make things worse, there are many who believe in individual freedoms trumping over the greater good of society, and we end up with a government walking away from legislating morality, and schools afraid to teach anything that would be “moral” fearful of a backlash of parents who disagree with a school’s morals. The last bastion of moral education lies with the parents then. It’s not how I would have it, but it’s the reality of our city.
        I don’t think anyone is trying to explicitly drag the families into it; but the families are being shamed by association with the child. Crime has always been associated with shame. It’s only because of the relatively recent glamorization of crime that the shame has disappeared, but shame is a perfectly natural response to doing something wrong.

      • Hi Tim….I appreciate what you are saying. As you said above ‘..families are being shamed by association..’. I believe Tim, that what you and I are saying is pretty much the same.

        What gets me is the fact that Alison and Colleen seem so gung -ho on bringing further shame to the families. I do not see the point of it, nor do I agree with it.

        On your village blurb…..society’s crazy eh?…on so many levels! lol

  13. Keep up the good work. The courts will fail us (again) with these guy. Modern social justice at work!

    Ragnar

    • In response to Michael C… Sure their families may not deserve this but if they don’t know right from wrong, maybe this will help their families teach them.

  14. I’m all for public shaming, but these morons did this in broad daylight in front of hundreds of cameras… I doubt they have any shame.

  15. Keep up the good work, we need more people like you.

  16. Anybody recognize anyone here?

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/photos-of-vancouver-rioting/article2062983/?from=2064657

  17. Captain Vancouver, I applaud what you are doing, and as a disgusted Vancouverite who witnessed what happened last night, I love the idea of making those that committed the crime become accountable to their actions. The sad state of our judicial system is that most of these young punks will get nothing but community service, which is why so many juvenile criminals grow up to become career criminals.
    These youths and adults that participated in the riot weren’t just “caught up in the moment” they purposely set out to create chaos and destruction, and even if they slip the hand of justice, I hope that they get what they deserve through public shaming. If more people were worried about the consequences of their own actions, the riot of last night wouldn’t have happened.
    It seems like people aren’t afraid of going to jail anymore, as can be seen on how many of them incriminated themselves on facebook. So, let’s make them afraid now to be judged by their peers. Let’s put these assholes who destroyed the self respect of our beloved city to the trials of the public.
    I don’t condone a mad witch hunt, but we need to teach some of these punkheads that if you do the crime, you do the time!!!!

  18. thats why the riots got out of hand all you tree hugging liberal bleeding hearts and your lame human rights the cops should of been kicking some parasite ass but they cant cause all the scumsucking latte drinking hippies would get their panties in a knot

  19. timmy kwang should of had his teeth knocked out of his bitch mouth by a police baton the second he lit that car on fire

  20. if the cops were knocking suckers out i guarantee 99% of those bitter cowards would be nowhere to be seen the next Canucks game 7 riot

  21. youre either part of the problem or part of the solution part of the problem? well, fuck you and your “rights”

  22. I am heartbroken and angry today after the destruction and violence of last night. Like many Vancouverites, I am embarrassed and ashamed of our city but it goes beyond that. This has really, really hit me deep and I think I have finally come to the heart of why. Kudos to the organizers and participants of the volunteer clean-up efforts downtown today. Good for them for taking their energy and doing something productive with it, creating something positive for their fellow citizens. I found myself thinking, what can I do along those lines? What could I enlist my friends in that would turn this negative situation into something positive? And then I started to feel really, really angry. I didn’t understand at first but then suddenly I realized why. Because I already do that. Every day. And so do the majority of people I know.

    My community is made up of artists, organizers, parents, volunteers, teachers…people who take every single day as an opportunity to create something positive for our fellow citizens, to try to make the world a better place. The arts community alone has spent at least as much time lobbying and fighting to hold on to financial and public support for the arts as actually creating art these past couple of years. These are not people in it for the money (ha!), these are people who truly believe that what they do makes their communities and their world a better place for their fellow human beings. We also do this work in a city that often seems hell bent on proving that annoying nickname “No Fun City” is appropriate. How many times have you visited another city and marveled at their thriving cultural scene? Enjoyed not feeling like you were being babysat? Wished Vancouver would loosen up its by-laws and its archaic attitudes towards what is safe and fun for the public? Now how many times have you come back home and worked on doing something to make Vancouver “more fun”? If you are someone I know, your answer is probably “all the time”! So when I sat watching a bunch of idiots deftly dismantle the efforts of people who work so hard to make this city a culturally vibrant place to be, my heart sank. And then it started to pound. I thought about the fireworks. I’m not personally a fan but I love anything that provides free, outdoor, family-friendly entertainment. You don’t think that event’s already tenuous support will be affected? I thought about the Rio Theatre. Many of us wrote letters and signed petitions in support of the Rio obtaining a liquor license so that they can bring in more revenue and expand the great entertainment programming they provide. You don’t think new liquor license applications are going to be considered in a different light? As if they weren’t ridiculously hard to get as it is! And, okay, if you don’t care about the arts or family-friendly entertainment, what do you think is going to happen the next time a large scale sporting event is being considered for approval? Even if such public events do get approved, you can bet a requirement will be increased insurance, security, police presence. Who do you think pays for that? The hockey players who make millions of dollars? The advertisers and merchandisers who are rich off of our event-related purchasing? Fairies and fucking pixies? No! We do! Our tax dollars do! Tax dollars that could be spent on–stay with me here–EVENTS AND SUPPORT FOR OUR COMMUNITY!

    So, I feel nothing short of enraged that the jobs of people I love, who are already working their asses off, just got much harder because a bunch of idiots thought it would be fun to get drunk and fuck shit up. Thanks. Thanks so very much, assholes. People keep saying that the people responsible for the destruction and violence do not represent Vancouver. Well, guess what? They do now. Next time someone wants to hold a big outdoor celebration–they’ll represent us. Next time someone applies for a liquor license–they’ll represent us. Next time those of us who have viable ideas about how to make this No Fun City a city to be proud of–the jerks taking pictures of themselves in front of burning cars and looting stores will be speaking for us. And I for one really, really resent that. Hey, hooligans! When was the last time one of you applied for a grant to support your arts festival? When was the last time one of you volunteered time equivalent to that of a second job to raise money for organization you care about? You have no idea, no clue whatsoever what goes into organizing even a small event at a local restaurant, let alone a giant event on the scale of something like what was put on FOR YOU yesterday. Fuck you. Fuck you for your selfishness, your short-sightedness and your immaturity. But most of all, fuck you for spitting in the faces of all of us who love Vancouver and work so hard to make it a place we all–including you–want to be. And before anyone says, “Those were jerks from Surrey! They weren’t Vancouverites!”, it doesn’t matter. This isn’t about geography, this is about participating in humanity. Nihilism fueled by privilege is stupid.

    When you get offered great things by people working extremely hard to provide them to you–for free!–if you don’t want them, stay home and punch yourself in the face if you hate yourself so much. Let those of us who care about someone other than ourselves enjoy the fruits of community participation. You certainly don’t deserve it. Am I being self-righteous? You bet your ass I am. As a caring, participating, hard-working citizen I am furious. Anyone who knows me will attest to the fact that I am always about getting to the root of a problem and trying to fix it, that I abhor criticism for the sake of criticism instead of discussion aimed at a more positive outcome. Not today. Today I am angry and heart-broken and exhausted. Today I am pointing fingers without solutions. Today I can’t even wrap my head around how to come to some kind of positive next steps when last night my fellow citizens caused unjustifiable destruction or (just as horrifying in my opinion) stood by and cheered or just watched. As far as I’m concerned, if you didn’t remove yourself from downtown when things turned ugly, let alone hours later, you are complicit.

    I know that I’ll move past this place and get back to helping build the community and the world I want to live in because that’s what I am about at the core of my person. But I am well aware that, when I do, that work will be harder. Not because I care less, but because some ingrates made it so. I have lots of questions about what makes someone act that way, what is underneath behaviour like that and what can I do in my life to create a world where people don’t feel compelled to act that way? But not today. Today I only have one question for those involved in the riots: How dare you? Oh, and fuck you.

  23. I love this Captain Vancouver! I think the newspaper should publish their
    names with the photos and it should be kept in a database where schools and future employers can cross reference. Hell, let the banks use it before giving loans and mortgages.

  24. Tim Kwong. He lit the truck on fire (1st automobile, yes?). 29 years old of Burnaby.

    Works at Visions Electronics in Burnaby.

    Not much longer!

  25. Captain, please find and expose this idiot!

    http://bl4q.me/rK8ie

  26. This website is sociopathic. Whatever happened to “forgive and forget” and “don’t judge lest ye be judged”? The reason people live in cities and not in bumfuck villages is so that petty drama tyrants can’t control their life.

    Thanks global village information superhighway panopticon for giving the control freak puritan prudes like “Captain Vancouver” here a vehicle to get their shaming on.

    • Well said, this guy is a dullard

    • As a resident of a “bumfuck village” I would like to know how you conclude that Captain Vancouver must be from one, or be a control freak or a puritan prude. Certainly sounds like ‘ye are judging’. I live in a rural area where no one “controls” me – and I know I can’t get caught in a riot just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If I lived in Vancouver, I would not forgive and forget such behaviour.
      I agree with Jim, if they are found guilty through the legal system… shame away.

    • Public shaming may be the only true punishment these riotous neanderthanls get. So what if they lose their jobs. So what if they are expelled from school. So what if they are shunned by friends and family. They chose to shit on respectability. They were opportunists who kicked in store windows and stole merchandise. They moved like a pack of fucking cowards. They deserve the hell their life becomes when they are publicly shamed. A fitting punishment might be a punch to each of their faces by everyone in Vancouver. Had they trashed their own homes or set fire to their own cars, it wouldn’t be an issue. Had they kicked in their mommy’s bedroom door and stole her possessions, there really wouldn’t be a lot of people caring. But these animals chose to show that they have yet to evolve so now they might feel like they are under a microscope. This is the internet and this shit NEVER goes away. Maybe if these cretins had come to your town and kicked in YOUR door and torched YOUR car the story might hit a little closer to home huh?

    • Great Post.
      Modern media inculcate sociopathy, and once we reach a “tipping point,” the enabled sociopaths are going to be a really, really big problem, and that is taking the self-protective view that these media-enabled sociopaths did not really take power in the 1930s—that they are a problem on the rise, not indicative of the degradation of the Commonwealth and its historical values.

  27. IF there is to be shaming, do it to the people convicted through the legal system. I am all for shaming convicted criminals but this smells of witch hunt and simply has too much potential to be used by people with axes to grind. Imagine if your name, face or both end up in a rioter shame site. You were in Spuzzum that night but some “friend” photo shops u onto a burning car. Some other “friends” tag/comment your name in.
    Good luck finding work for the next 10 years. Good luck explaining this to your family, your teachers, etc.
    Vigilantes start with good intentions but pretty soon the ropes in the trees have strange fruit hanging and some of them are not guilty of anything but having idiot friends with excellent photo shop skills.

    • Hey Jim…Fuck the legal system! I can guarantee you that a good portion of the arsonists, looters, vandals and thieves will get very little by way of the criminal justice system. Sure one or two of them may get jail time, a fine and a bunch of probation but that shit is WEAK. I hope that fucker who torched the cars gets harassed and degraded. I hope he loses his job and it would be wonderful karma if someone punched his smug fucking face in.
      These fucking cowards assaulted people, knived people, set fires to cars, stole thousands (maybe millions of dollars worth of property) and they think they can walk away from it all laughing? Fuck that. If you sit around relying on what the courts will do to these pukes, you’ll die of old age. Shitbag shyster lawyers will have their miscreant clients walking from court smiling. I say publicly shame these slime. Make them realize there are consequences for being a criminal douchebag. I can tell you that one of these scumbags has already lost their job over being photographed committing a crime. I hope many more get the same. Publicly shaming these pukes is closer to real justice than forgiveness.

  28. Each and every rioter deserves a well placed punch in the face from every person in Vancouver. Destroy oour cities reputation, destroy private property and cause millions of dollars in damages..then you should be publically shamed.

  29. Like it or not, names will be attached to the 1000’s of images that were captured. So no matter if you are “for” or “against” it is happening. On the plus side, future riots may not occur – I am sure the publicity attached to social media “outing” is a much better deterent than the legal system penalties.

  30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFO-KKCxuec —30 seconds in.

    His name is Alex Pro. The guy with the hunting cap.
    He’s apologized on his facebook wall, stating to his family that he made the mistake of “posing for pictures”.

    LOOK CAREFULLY AT HIS FACE, HANDS, AND JEANS. LOOKS LIKE SOME HEAVY LIFTING WAS BEING DONE MOMENTS BEFORE “POSING” FOR AN INNOCENT PICTURE.

  31. This blog is shameful. Shame on all of you people, you are displaying the same disrespect to the police and the justice system that the rioters displayed Wednesday. In fact, while we’re on the public humiliation band wagon, why don’t we set up a council of elders and gang-rape every single one of the rioters like they do in Pakistan. Vigilantism has no place in modern Canada, and people posting on here yelling for blood are making me lose even more respect for Vancouverites.

  32. I agree. And the more sites that collaborate the better so I’m more than willing to post names and pictures on my blog so where’s the best place to collect and distribute info?

  33. Vigilantism of this type is necessary wherever the justice system doesn’t suffice. You’re fine with rioters getting a slap on the wrist? Right.. a few hours of community service should do the trick.. they’ll learn the errors of their ways and become changed, honorable men..

    Disrespect to the police? What the fuck? This will only aid them in their hunt. And I wasn’t there so I can’t say much, but from the footage it looks like the cops could have done something more.

    Posting names and faces on the internet is a little different than gang-raping.. but nice try! Very intelligent post!

    • And who are you or me to decide when the justice system doesn’t suffice? The whole point of a civic and lawful society is precisely to have an impartial and objective system that decide on guilt and innocence and the appropriate punishment, not an angry internet mob. And to really aid the police, you should send all this information to the police like they requested, not post it here and call for vigilante justice. And the intent behind tribal gang-rape in Pakistan is also public-humiliation, which is why I make the comparison. Look up slippery slope in a dictionary sometime. And thank you, it is a very intelligent post if I may say so.

  34. We are all angry. To those who passionately speak of wanting ‘real’ justice – you are all entitled to that desire. I too believe that people setting cars on fire should be punished.

    Justice is something that requires deliberation. Do you know why we have the justice system we have? It’s not for speed of convictions, We are not Singapore, or Saudi Arabia. Despite what we may wish, those who were responsible for rioting will not have been punIshed by tomorrow. Our justice system punishes those that have been unequivocally been proven to have committed a crime. A photograph is not infallible, despite what some people might think. Sometimes people in photos are mistaken for other people, which is why criminal trials allow for alibis and circumstantial evidence.

    We all complain about perpetrators walking free. Vigilanteeism is often glorified in mass media, and nothing feels as good as taking matters into one’s own hands in order to get justice. A number of people have fondly described the old days of public shaming. Perhaps what you really want is the freedom to form lynch mobs. They just feel so right, don’t they?

    We have our justice system for a reason. If you want to change it, there are easily accessible ways to try and do so. Vote for a political party that will change it for you. Run for political office yourself. Go to law school, become a trial lawyer, and eventually become a court judge so that you can make your impact on the system (I suppose this isn’t easily accessible).

    Throwing out names behind the anonymity of the internet is not going to give us justice. It’s actually pretty damn cowardly if you ask me. “Captain Vancouver” would have us burn our city to the ground and finish what the rioters started, as parents turn on their children and friends “name names”. McCarthy’s era was one of terror, not justice. Innocent people were forever branded as traitors. And that was before the internet.

    So if you have a photograph and (suspected) name, email it to the Vancouver POLICE, not this blog. Oh, and if just one innocent person’s life is ruined as a result of this, those responsible deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. My opinion.

    • “Go to law school, become a trial lawyer, and eventually become a court judge so that you can make your impact on the system (I suppose this isn’t easily accessible).”

      Thankfully.
      I wonder how many of these braying for blood could score well enough on the LSAT to get into law school.

    • Agreed. This is turning into a giant internet lynch mob. And to all those saying that when the justice system isn’t enough, vigilantism is the only way, keep in mind this is what all the KKK mobs said in the 1960’s too…before they lynched innocent black men and strung them up on trees.

  35. Years ago when the earth was less populated and everyone lived their entire lives in small villages, people and their actions were known by everyone and the entire village judged them by their actions. With the growth of social media and internet, this again will become the norm. I personally think it’s a good thing. It’s just going to take time for people to realize that their behavior in society will be judged by the public and have major consequences on their lives. Keep up the good work.,

  36. This is nothing more than urban terrorism and is not under any circumstances to be tolerated in our beautiful city. We have to set an example now. If they are over 18 they are classed adults and should suffer the consequence of their actions. This was a criminal act and should be treated as such. If they are university students, they should realise that it is a privelege to be studying here in our beautiful city. This is a privelege that should be now be taken away from them i.e. expelled. If they are holding down jobs their employer should be notified. Also, if these moronic people are from outside of Vancouver and or the country, they should be returned to their homeland and never be allowed to darken our door step again.

  37. This site offers no relief except to those who want to express their racist and phobic comments.
    A super hero….REALLY? You’re just another internet bully.

  38. After years and years of the errosion of public confidence in our so called “justice system” , I’m actually pleased to see an effort like this. Having looked at all the photos here I find it impossible to understand anyone stepping up in defence of the individual or the acts depicted. The level of support expressed by numerous others here demonstrate that law abiding citizens have finally had enough and it’s time to fight back. Well done Captain Vancouver, keep up the good work!!!!

    • Vigilantism is not “law abiding”. Neither is public humiliation, which rightly belongs in the Middle Age.

  39. From the Criminal Code (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-46) Riot

    64. A riot is an unlawful assembly that has begun to disturb the peace tumultuously.

    R.S., c. C-34, s. 65.

    Punishment of rioter

    65. Every one who takes part in a riot is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

    R.S., c. C-34, s. 66.

    Punishment for unlawful assembly

    66. Every one who is a member of an unlawful assembly is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

  40. Captain, I believe you have the right idea with the concept for this particular blog. If I might offer one word of advice, though, it would be to temper justice with mercy. If there is someone who is wrongfully identified as a rioter, and it is conclusively proven that he/she was not taking part in the riots, please be just as vigilant in informing the public of that person’s innocence.

    I applaud your desire of using these rioters’ own words and actions against them, but remember that this weapon could be just as easily turned against you.

    Editorial insert: The difference I believe from my site and some of the others are I have the ability to update the blog posts and provide what I think is just. If someone provides their evidence of restitution I will post that up. If someone contacts me and explains why I am in error about what I’ve written about their photo or I have named someone wrong, I will provide correction. I’ve already done that when contacted and alerted about Luke Basso. I can only do what I can do when presented with information that I can then pass on.

  41. Captain Vancouver,
    How are you finding the names to these people? I have a few photos and videos but I don’t know where to post them or where to find the people’s names? Many thanks for you hard work and efforts!

  42. Funny how most “anarchists”, are on welfare, E.I, or student loans?….
    If you hate government so much, why don’t you punk ass bitches quit sucking it dry, by being a financial burden on all tax paying citizens?….ya..I didn’t think so!…..scum.

  43. Psychologists and sociologists will always bring up one reason (among many) that rioters do what they do – anonymity en masse. When caught in the moment, and surrounded by hundreds of others doing the same thing, there is a de-individualization that leads to a sense of security. This blog and others like it are solving that problem. If future generations with as much image-capturing technology as we have today enter into a riot, I hope as a result of this type of societal outing, more people have second thoughts and are less likely to be ‘caught up in the moment’ and feel secure en masse.

    That’s the good thing about this blog. Now the bad:

    Watching videos of these riots, it’s clear that there are two types of people in these crowds:
    1) The pre-mediated, career criminal, don’t-give-a-fuck thugs.
    2) The young kids who don’t have a solid base of ethics and morals who got ‘caught up in it’ and made the wrong choice when so many more made the right one and did not participate.

    The problem with this blog and others like it is that the majority of the evidence will show the latter idiots, because they went in unprepared (no masks, etc) and their friends are ethical enough to turn them in when they show up in photos. The former, much more dangerous ingrates will, for the most part, get off from the public shaming which is so sorely deserved. Idiot kids like Jason and Camille (who deserve just punishment but not a lifetime of negative name association) will get the bulk of our early negative attention while the shittiest elements of Vancouver society will get off fairly unscathed because they aren’t stupid enough to get their picture taken by a CTV news team with no mask on high definition film.

    Please do what you can to out the worst offenders first: those who swarmed and beat good samaritans, instigators who were involved in the original police push-back (I most want that raging douche in the Greek soccer team shirt), and those who went store-to-store along Granville Street smashing, fighting and looting for two hours straight.

    The majority of our public shaming will naturally land on the first outed parties. Including people like Jason Li, Robert Snelgrove, Alex Pro, Sarah McCusker and Camille Cacnio in that crowd is giving them much worse relative treatment than those who most deserve a criminal record and public scrutiny. Don’t get me wrong, they deserve to be called out for their actions, but the relative highest levels of scrutiny are falling on the wrong parties.

    Long post, sorry, but thanks for listening. Keep up the great work, but please try and better prioritize the worst offenders first, not just the easiest to identify.

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  45. Everyone who thinks we should be peaceful and forgive needs to shut their mouths.

    I am all for forgiveness when there is cause for forgiveness – when people apologize for things they haven’t spent weeks premeditating and pumping themselves up for.
    These rioters knew EXACTLY what they were doing, and what it would do to our city.

    I say the police needed to use more force to show everyone that in Canada, when we take our freedoms and rights for granted, you no longer deserve them. Crack down on the criminals we sadly live amongst

  46. Shaming these thugs, bullies, arsonists and just general douchebags, IS called for. Has anything else worked thus far? No.

    I agree 100% with Rex Murphy, and 100’s of thousands of fed up law abiding citizens.

    http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthanalysis/rexmurphy/story/2011/06/16/thenational-rexmurphy-061611.html

  47. this is awesome. Keep it up!

  48. Okay, I think most anybody can agree that THESE mooks deserve public shaming. But this becomes a model for the future. What is the threshold of evidence that is needed to publicly out someone? What is the degree of transgression where it is justified?

    The problem is not Captain Vancouver’s methodical and carefully laid out public outing, but those of the pale imitations who will come after him. It’s not at all difficult to publicly shame an innocent (or not all-that-guilty) person.

    If the concern is that these people get off without a scrape, rest assured that future employers WILL look up these people and find their names in the news sites, court sites, etc.

    This sets a dangerous precedent.

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